I DON’T WANT TO DIE IN VIETNAM: 1968
I have a cousin who still suffers horrible nightmares. I have many
Well I still have my MC5 nightmares, because my stand to stay and fight here cost me a lot of pain and misery. I know tens of guys who either died, came home missing a limb, and so many with post traumatic stress disorder, heroin addiction, alcoholism, etc. They got the rawest of deals I can imagine. Millions of Americans and myself included, finally put an end to that war. Of this I am as proud as the vet who fought in it. It took a long time for this nation to heal over that mess.
If you're at all interested I suggest you rent “The Fog of War", an excellent Vietnam War documentary by none other than that war’s former Secretary of Defense Robert S. McNamara. He finally comes clean.
For the Record:
I do not support illicit drugs of any kind. I do not support the war in
I most certainly did not quit college to join the band just to be summarily shipped off to
Luckily the older guys in the Five had already been to
Americans were fast approaching a 50-50 split down the middle on the war. There were those who steadfastedly believed that it was all about “My country right or wrong!”, and those who were aware of the politics of the situation and knew it was a mistake early on, and it was time to negotiate peace.
I am a true patriot, always was and always will be, and my belief system cried out loudly against this slaughter taking place in a “foreign jungle land” to quote Bob Seger in his great song from back in that time “2 + 2 ”.
On to the battle plan.
The army was not quite yet hip to the white counter culture . Their world was based on fear and intimidation. Conversely, having no fear was the key.
I was instructed by my mates to get to the head Army shrink’s office as quickly as possible when I went to the base. The trick was to bypass all the physical checkpoints and wind up in the psychiatrist’s office. There, you will be faced with a series of questions and how you answer these questions would determine your final classification.
And now the saga…
I asked one of the White Panther gals to make me a super snug fitting pair of pink velveteen bell bottom hip hugger pants. We then tore the crotch along the seam and used three safety pins to half-ass secure it. I had an artist friend make a t-shirt of me playing the drums on the front. In day glo paint, he spray brushed a large caricature of me smashing this tiny drum set to smithereens. On the back of the shirt was sprayed in huge letters: “Kick Out The Jams M****R F*****R!” This would be what I was to wear every day for two solid weeks.
My hair was already down to my shoulders. I did not bathe, wash, brush my teeth, or shave for those two weeks. I just lived my life like everything was jake. The people in the band house would say, “Good Den, you stink!” “Go to the damn draft board already, phew…!” I laughed at all this, but inside I was pretty fragile.

Finally it’s D-Day. Draft Day. I am supposed to be there at
The first stop is the scholastic testing station. All the other guys were done with the test, and well on their way to being inducted. When I walked in, half the guys there taunted and jeered at me. “Hey queer where do you think your going?" "Let’s kick his ass." "What a punk", etc. Little did they know.
This black drill sergeant yells at me. “Here asshole, sit down and take this test." "You're only two hours late!” My first encounter with the "man". Whoooh….I am not scared at all. In fact this is going to be fun , I think to myself.
“Man, you're a mess boy, I’ll give you one hour!” barks the Sarge. I scribble swastikas, faces, and airplanes on the test. I answer the first two questions. Wrongly, of course. This test is like eighth grade level. What a scam. The hour is up, the sarge looks at my test and drags me to his office. “Your file here tells me that you have almost two years of college boy." "How do you explain this test performance?”
“Well, uh, gee sir, general sir, I didn’t feel like doing it.” “What?" “Nope, wasn’t up to it." "I hate tests, always did…” “You tryin’ to pull a fast one on me here son?” “No sir, commander sir, not at all.” “Alright then smart ass, get over to the main physical facility on your right down the corridor. Now, asshole!” “Yes sir!” I clicked my heels and saluted.
They put me in this little booth. They explain to push this button on the hand held trigger when I start to hear a sound. Then push it again when I don’t hear any sound. You got it. I do exactly the opposite. The grunt comes up to me and re-explains very patiently the rules of this test. Now I just start pushing the button all the time. This works.
Finally the MP’s grab ahold of me rather roughly and escort me past an all female secretarial pool. I pull at my safety pinned crotch and the pants rip and my family jewels are exposed. Ha, ha. The girls notice and giggle and blush and I shout “Hi girls , how you all doin?” Some of them even waved to me. The MP”s are laughing and shaking their heads. I think I am going to Dr. Freud’s. Yes!! Almost there, almost there…
They throw me in the chair and the Doc asks me what is wrong with me.“Nothing Doc, what’s wrong with you today?” I stifle a laugh. Ever see that movie about the Martians with Jack Nicholson?”It’s called “Mars Attacks.” The Martians are always going “Ack, ack…ack, ack.”
Well I did something similar to that and Billy Bob Thornton’s Slingblade character. I started to clear my throat every three seconds or so. Ahem, ahem, grunt, grunt…
“Now what is your problem” said the army shrink?“ I’m allergic. I think I am allergic to you. Or maybe the army.”What is your religion Mr.Thompson?” “I used to be a Catholic but now I believe in drugs and sex and rock n’ roll…all the time!”
He is burning a hole through my head with his eyes. I know he is looking for the slightest quiver of fear. That slightest tell that lets him know that it is all a con job. I banish that thinking immediately and say. “I really like orgies too. We all make love together because the universe wants us to love each other not kill each other. Don’t you think so?”
“No I do not.” His pencil tip snapped on the questionnaire he was filling out.”“Son, do you take drugs?” “Yes I love drugs, all types of drugs.” “Are you on drugs right now, here, this minute?” “Absolutely not sir, absolutely not…"
That’s it. The secret weapon. You must tell them you are not on drugs at the camp. They can legally hold you over for three days to detox you and do the physical all over again as many times as they want. The key to freedom. It was as simple as “No, I am not!”
A little bit of irony happens when I stroll out of the place to my car. Got my 4F in hand and the relief I feel is way over the top. Now it is my turn. “Hey you, I hope you make it home!” “Hey buddy, remember me?” I said to this one particularly sullen dude who razzed me when I first came in.
“I don’t know about you, but I’m going home." "I’m gonna take a long bath, change these stinkin’ clothes, drink a six pack, smoke a joint, listen to Coltrane, and get laid." "Good luck and I mean that.” But I told him that with as much sarcastic sobriety that I could muster. "I’m goin’ home…"
Prologue:
We better pray Obama does not re-instate the draft. You never know, he might have to. In
Now I just saw on CNN that we have major Afghanistan Taliban trouble what with those clowns trying to get a hold of
Man, the beat goes on. We gotta keep movin’, I’m telling ya…
Next post is rock n’ roll. Stay tuned.
















25 comments:
The more things change, the more they stay the same, eh? I honestly don't see Pres. Obama reinstating the draft, but these are strange days indeed....
Dear Beth,
If we have 2 conflicts now, and a possible third, Iran, there are not enough volunteers and guardsmen to handle the troop load. Diplomacy is the answer. Obama needs to work miracles. These warring tribes just keep the hatred alive. Your gemeration's apathy towards all this warfare is due mainly because their personal asses are not on the line because of a draft. I hope it does not come to pass, but as you said these days cannot get stranger, or can they?
MGT
What's up, Machine Gun? Just stumbled on your blog and loved what you're putting out there, brother. So good to see you still fighting the good fight. Things have been hectic for me -- working on documentary/"reality" tv these days, which lately means filming homicide detectives and bounty hunters... slightly crazy but I'm eternally grateful for the work and the experiences.
Hope life continues to surprise and send all sorts of unexpected blessings. Be well, love to Patrice and stay in touch, amigo.
Jeff
Hi Jeff.
Really great to hear from you. Things are hectic here too, Got a project I am working on, and the blog is great fun and serious too. Hey, you are working and nowadays that is a blessing in itself. Hope to see ya soon. DKT may tour USA. Not sure yet...
Cheers mate
Den
I wasn't sure if i should laugh mya*# off OR cry with what our Boys had to do to avoid something that they didnt believe in!Times were so messed up back then AND knowing now what i didn't know then...things might of been a little different. BUT I SUPPORT ALL SOLDIERS!!! I have 2 in my home alone!! God Bless our Soldiers fighting for our freedoms..I wish that was all they had to fight for on foreign lands...!God Bless the USA !"
Nice post Dennis! Glad you were free!
My Pops was in college and then joined the Guard and stayed the hell away from Viet Nam. Lucky dude.
I've been reading your blog regularly and enjoying it. You really have hit a peak with this intensely personal and quite frightening description of your induction escape (from the Human being Lawn Mower) that so vividly captures the tenot of the times. My old friend from when I lived in A2, Greg K. told me a somewhat similar tale also involving sleep deprivation. When I read your blog the obvious question is "When does the book come out?" Especially since that long awaited MC5 book by whathisname has never appeared.
Thanks, Chris
P.S. That pun about peaking was strictly unintentional...
The Vietnam war was the biggest clusterfuck in the history of this country. Followed by Bush's war. LBJ was evil. Bobby would have stopped that war. Have you been to the Vietnam War Memorial? I had mixed reactions. Like the poor ol' Vietnam vets are getting slighted AGAIN. It seemed small, plain and sad to me compared to the WWII Memorial which is huge and made of spectacular white marble. But the vets love the VN Memorial so maybe it's just me. Never saw the Elvis induction picture, he's not standing on the mark on the floor! Iggy wrote about his Army induction physical in his book "I Need More." Maybe he got the idea to wear no underpants from you. Glad you're both still alive and thanks for telling the tale Machinegun.
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thanks for sharing your experiences Dennis, another great post
very insightful, and unfortunately funny read, unfortunate because of the pain you had to go to just to stay out of the war and even worse for the people who went and didnt come back, or, as you stated, those that came back fucked up
it was a terrible war, and one of the worst and most unnecessary the US has been involved in
HJW
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great stuff! i agree that the folk in the army who have to go out and bare the consequences of the decisions that our politicians make, deserve our support. most of those guys just needed a job and the army seemed like a good option at that time. there before the grace of god (or whoever you like) go i.
great stuff denis. ive recently being enjoying the fabulous new race along with a pintch of the new orders victim of circumstance. great stuff.
oddly apart from one or two obivious austrialian bands and birdman and the saints, there is`nt so much music from that part of the world that makes it to the uk. so for me the idea that you and ron were out there bringing the sound of detroit to oz, is a strange stage in the story. but, you guys produced some great sounding stuff out there and the proof is clearly in the pudding on that front.
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Thanks for sharing that, Dennis. I wasn't quite old enough to be personally involved, but one of my uncles missed getting blown away by inches. He still can't talk about it after all these years. A terrible war that should have never existed in my opinion...
Great article MGT, really makes you realise how little as changed and how lucky we all are.
Very interesting to read. Laughed a lot, but I understand it was a awful experience for you. We got some US deserter to Sweden back then. I was too young to know what it was about. I did my national service training that was quite hard, but that was just playing war. It´s a shame that the world still use these primitive way to solve problems.
To rich B:
Regarding the memorials here in DC, I think the WWII Memorial is completely overblown and massive. When you walk through the Vietnam Memorial, everyone is quiet...like a church service...and you see people who have no connection to Vietnam drying their eyes. It was a very controversial monument when it was built, but quickly became one of the most respected in DC for the power it emits.
Very interesting read! Born in 1960, I was young when all this was going on but I remember it clearly. I remember how relieved my mother was at the end of that bloody mess as I was 13 and the war just dragged on and on.
My uncle was hitching a ride on a tank that ran over a landmine and suffered shell shock and is still mostly deaf to this day.
I got a lot of friends in the Vietnam Vets Motorcyle Club. I have sat around the campfire with these guys and heard some of thier stories and saw the emotion that comes with them.
A whole generation of Americans that have my deepest gratitude!
I love my country but I don't trust the government!
It took a lot of balls to do what Dennis did at Ft. Wayne that day. This just wasn't done in 1968. People just WENT. Like lemmings off a cliff. I did a similar thing in about 1970. I told them i would go but I had to have drugs everyday... That turned them off I guess.. Very brave move to fight the system that early on for sure.
jim
Who knows what's around the corner. The only certainty in life is the uncertainty of life. Great reading Mr Machine Gun, cheers for linking us up. Keep on Keeping on, and Stay Free! Regards and Respect for then and now!
dENNIS....ENJOYED YOUR POSTING ON VIETNAM 68. ITS A GREAT STORY I NEVER KNEW. I CAN REMEMBER GOING TO ANN ARBOR TO MARCH AGAINST THAT USELESS WAR. I WAS DRAFTED IN THE LOTTERY #32 OUT OF 365, BUT NIXON ENDED UP ABOLISHING THE DRAFT IN JAN 73
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Hi Dennis,
I’m enjoying your blog. I’ve just read your draft dodging piece, funny and a bit sad at the same time. Sad that people should have to do that. We haven’t had conscription in the UK for many years but I remember the fear when the Falklands War was on.
Anyway, here’s my ticket from your Royal Festival Hall gig last year. This was definitely the best time I’ve seen you guys. I like Primal Scream too and it was great seeing them supporting you. Not as good a support as the Stooges in Minehead J. William Duvall was great; he looked the part and had excellent stage presence. I missed Lisa though; she did a fantastic Motor City ’s Burning when I saw you at the Astoria in 2004.
I put some snaps of the RFH gig on Facebook, check them out here http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=23633&id=528222858&l=5ee87e12e6. Is it true that Easy Action are putting out a DVD of the gig and if so is it the whole gig?
Thanks for many years of listening pleasure, I never thought I’d get to see you guys play ever. I did see Rob Tyner at a punk festival in my hometown of Chelmsford , Essex once which was a blast. Other than that and the odd Wayne gig I thought I’d never see you so thanks again.
By the way, I found out about your blog on the Stooges forum.
Donald.
I really liked your entry about Vietnam and how you got out of the draft. I think personal histories like that are a great supplement to history books.
I saw you mentioned the fog of war, which is a great documentary and I truly love it.
There some other documentaries about Vietnam that are equally great. First of all hearts and minds, which deals about the true idea behind the Vietnam war, and also deals with the cold war reality of the day, the various propaganda films about communism, the policiy of containment(not directly stated) and of course the decolonization that went on that time. A lot of personal interviews and it is balanced, that is a school of thought that Bill O'Reily and Michael Moore skipped.
The film also revolutionized a lot of the film techniques that are being used in docus such as bowling for Columbine, Fahrenheit 9/11, Religiolous, sharkwater and many more.
Another one is Dear America. Deals with the soldiers and the letters they wrote home. Very personal and very emotional. A must see for anyone coming of age, being curious about the military life.
The book dispathes is really good and if anyone is interested in how war affect people they should really see the russian war movie Come and see. If more politicians saw that one, I'm sure they would think twice about sending young kids to war.
PS: I'm sure you have heard about most of these films and seen a lot of them. I did'nt write to put you down or anything. I just happend to see a lot of documentaries, that's all. I don't think these movies will change the world, but if more people are made aware of them, they might think before they open their mouths. If patriotism is the last refuge for scoundrels, then vanity is the last refuge for morons.
Best wishes and good luck with the blog
Knut
Hi Joe,
Thanks for the comment. I did say hi to Patrice and she told me to write to you here. Thank you for all your support through all the years we have been friends. Love the TV!
MGT
I have heard their is a possibility that that Primal Scream/DKT video may be in the works. Keep looking and I will too. Thanks for the love.
MGT
So I'm poking around youe website and skim your tale of the draft board. Then you post the poster for the show that preceeded my physical by the two days that I spent driving the Arkestra back to NY and just making it back for my physical after two days on the road with no sleep. They didn't want the likes of me either.
Machine Gun - This is easily the best 'blog I've read in some-time ! I was laughing so hard that my cats were giving me these "WTF?" looks !
When I was in high school ('85-'87), various branches of the service wanted me badly , especially the Air Force ( I'm an artist , and they LOVE visual-minded boys!). Once I told 'em -- they were inundating me with phone calls at home -- that I'm cross-reference (true) and that I like to carve people's names in my arm while I'm talking to them on the phone , they left me alone.
It was the last line of this 'blog that really affected me ; to paraphrase : "...I'm going home , drinking a beer , smoking a joint and listening to Coltrane..." , as was stated to a peer whom had just been drafted.
That vision , those words , brought tears to my eyes.
VERY profound !
Thanks for sharing this gem with us !
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